[PROXYPER] need a non-TCP/IP personal proxy

[waldo kitty]

arpanet is (one of) the original name(s) for the interconnected network
known today as the internet... the only arpa domain that is left is the
in-addr.arpa domain used for RDNS lookups and such... address space
means little, really, when it is the overall name that is being
discussed... anyway, i'm not going to argue or debate semantics... have
had toooo much of that over the years and it holds little interest for
me any more...

> "Messenger, Mark" wrote:
> 
> Umm... ARPAnet *is* the Internet.  The same IP address space has been
> used since its conversion to TCP/IP.
> Thusly, unless this message arrives at your door akin to RFC 1149 (
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt ), I'd wager that the
> Internet/ARPANet is still "in" :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: waldo kitty [mailto:wkitty42 at alltel.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:08 PM
> To: proxyper at lists.distributed.net
> Subject: Re: [PROXYPER] need a non-TCP/IP personal proxy
> 
> it matters not what my control lines tell you... it matters only what
> i
> tell you <<wink wink>>...
> 
> its also (still) as i said... TCP/IP has been used on "the 'net" for
> at
> least a decade... FWIW: i used ARPANET wahy way way back when... but
> it
> was on its way out by then...
> 
> > "Messenger, Mark" wrote:
> >
> > Umm... no :)
> >
> > Unless my MTA stripped a <sarc> tag in there, you're full of
> Microsoft
> > Products :P
> >
> > The 'Net predates TCP/IP by 20 years, not the other way around.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: waldo kitty [mailto:wkitty42 at alltel.net]
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:21 PM
> > To: proxyper at lists.distributed.net
> > Subject: Re: [PROXYPER] need a non-TCP/IP personal proxy
> >
> > > "Messenger, Mark" wrote:
> > >
> > > According to
> http://www.davesite.com/webstation/net-history2.shtml
> > > TCP/IP replaced NCP on the net in 1983, roughly 20 years ago :)
> >
> > yup... its as i said <<GG>>
> >
> > > The original ARPANet (the Internet's early name) was created circa
> 
> > > 1968 wayyyyyy before TCP was even thought up.
> > >
> > > A quick google search for "Internet history TCP/IP" should yield
> you
> > a
> > > fair bit of background reading.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps ya.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: waldo kitty [mailto:wkitty42 at alltel.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:57 PM
> > > To: proxyper at lists.distributed.net
> > > Subject: Re: [PROXYPER] need a non-TCP/IP personal proxy
> > >
> > > TCP/IP is not just internet oriented... TCP/IP has been used for a
> 
> > lot
> > >
> > > of networking stuff long before the internet came about...
> remember,
> >
> > > the
> > > internet (as we know it today) has only been around for a decade
> or
> > > so... anyway, TCP/IP is not limited just to the internet and one
> > would
> > >
> > > be foolish to restrict one's self from using it whenever they
> can...
> >
> > > look around you... look at the other networks and their
> protocols...
> >
> > > where are they today? in many cases, they are defunct and obsolete
> 
> > if
> > > they are even still being used at all...
> > >
> > > Patcat88 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can easily make a NAT using Linux or my copy of Advanced
> Server.
> > A
> > >
> > > > DHCP server will work. I just think that TCP/IP is a internet
> > thing
> > > > and should stay exactly that, a Internet thing.
> > > >
> > > > "Messenger, Mark" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your first concern would be addressed by NAT-ing your
> computers
> > > > > behind your DSL computer/router.  Private IP ranges are
> > considered
> > >
> > > > > non-routable, and thusly, not attackable from the outside
> world
> > > > > (generally speaking. Yes, I know there are ways to fool some
> > > > > routers/NAT daemons into faking a session to an internal host.
> 
> > > This
> > > > > is a rare case, as I understand it).
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as Dnet goes, the lack of incoming connections is not a
> 
> > > > > problem.  I have verified that the Dnet client (and the Dnetd
> > > > > personal proxy) will work just fine on NAT-ed IP addresses.  I
> 
> > run
> > >
> > > > > this at home on my 5-odd working machines.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this answer your question?  If not, let me know :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Patcat88 [mailto:patcat88 at SNET.Net]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:55 PM
> > > > > To: proxyper at lists.distributed.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PROXYPER] need a non-TCP/IP personal proxy
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't want people to be able to send packets directly to a
> > > > > unprotected
> > > > > windows 3.11 WFW system. Yes I know about NAT but I'm afraid
> > that
> > > > > NAT
> > > > > won't map the DATA back to the originating computer properly.
> > Also
> > >
> > > > > NAT
> > > > > doesn't allow incoming connections which I think will be a
> > > problem.
> > > > >
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