[rc5] Here's another suggestion (Stats Gripe)

Gustav Bjoerkman gnork at beyond.malmo.lth.se
Wed Aug 6 22:00:30 EDT 1997

On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Murray Stokely wrote:

>    I think you pretty much speak for all of us.  Just do what the rest
> of us have done at switch over to Cyberian.  I asked some members of

I agree. We've discontinued with the Bovine effort just because of the
stats. And when we have time we'll remove all running clients left and
move to Cyberian instead. The first 200k blocks was fun but not anymore.
Why should we help Bovine when Cyberian has so much more? You don't get
paid to do the jobb.. none of us do. No time to make things working?
The world is full of good, hardworking people that can help You..but
no..no. I've been impressed by Your work sofar but not anymore. What's 
the problem? To much data to reconstruct? Lack of time? Lack of CPU? 
WHAT? Just tell us all what the problem is and the rest of the World 
will help you. I like the "work in progress" page though. :*)

There is _no_ way for me to convince the boss, friends, family, the cat
that they should run rc5 with no working stats.  The stats is the main
thing that makes it fun! And without the fun we don't join! I remember 
to good old days when you followed each team very carfully and checked
the stats several times a day, that was fun.
    See you all at rc5.cyberian.org!


> another department if they wanted to help out and they laughed saying
> we were just wasting energy.  I then started taunting them and in a
> matter of days they've recruited a 40+ computer force and the
> competition is feirce.  They must reload the cyberian stats page 50
> times a day to be able and throw the numbers in our face. ;)
> On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Matt Steinhoff wrote:
> %     I agree totally.
> %     Forget the client for now. It works well enough for most people.
> % The stats work for no one. Spend a week or however long necessary
> % and do nothing but stats.
> % 
> %     WARNING: This rant has been weeks in the making.
> % 
> %     (If you are still reading, it's your fault I'm wasting your time.)
> % 
> %     The stats are what make this fun. I'm not in this for the money
> % or glory. I'm in this for the fun. Since the stats broke, I haven't
> % been having much fun. (Note that `fun' is the number three listed
> % reason why the Bovine effort exists.)
> %     I'm aware how difficult it is to run an effort such as this. I
> % was involved with the DES SolNET effort for several months and, in
> % fact, hosted the only keyserver in the United States for that effort.
> % ({Deity of your choice} bless Magnus, Lindgren and else.)
> %     Client development is important though not nearly as important
> % as keeping the folks who are running the client happy. It doesn't
> % matter if your client can do 1% of the keyspace an hour if no one
> % will run the client in the first place.
> %     I can't justify running the client on 40-some-odd 586 and better
> % machines if I get no joy from the stats. Without stats, I can't taunt
> % other people. Doesn't everyone recognize the fact that most people
> % get involved just so they can display their computer wood?
> %     (For those of you in other countries that don't fully grasp `wood',
> % please rent Beavis and Butthead Do America.)
> %     My team started out with just four computers. We emailed some
> % friends at another company and started competing. Each morning,
> % flames would be sent depending on the stats. The build-up reached
> % levels of intensity not seen since the Cold War.
> %     On seven dial-up machines, I've stopped running the client. I
> % think I lost a few Windows machines in another department. I've got
> % 137 brand new PowerMacs that I could use but it would mean getting
> % permission from another department head. With no one to compete
> % against, it just isn't worth the hassle.
> Murray Stokely
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