[rc5] Re: rc5-digest V1 #44
Rebecca and Rowland
rebecca at astrid.u-net.com
Wed Jul 16 03:41:59 EDT 1997
>Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:51:21 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Stephen Langasek <vorlon at dodds.net>
>Subject: Re: [rc5] Re: rc5-digest V1 #44
>On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Bryan Golder wrote:
>> That said, everyone who is complaining about client problems here is only
>> doing so because they want things to work right so this team will win
>> (including me!).
>No. Everyone who is complaining here is doing so because they have all
>the manners and consideration of a two-year-old. I want the clients to
>work, too, but you don't see me kvetching about it. Why? Common courtesy
Point: without feedback, the developers can't know about any problems the
>And because I understand that people coming onto this list and
>doing a wide-mouthed impression of Sanford Wallace in a technology fair
>do nothing to further this effort.
But how about careful, methodical end users taking the time to fully
investigate an apparent problem to the best of their ability, and sending a
detailled and carefully-considered description of the problem to the
developer - who then doesn't even bother to reply with a `thanks for the
Who has the manners of a two year old?
>entering the corporate world. So my empathy for those whose social graces
>were inspired by something akin to a warthog... is nonexistent. Bug
>reports? Fine. Suggestions for improvements? Ideas are always welcome.
>Bitching about how abysmally the client works with your setup? Save it
>for alt.dev.null. They're interested in reading it there. I'm not.
But... What about people who find that the client *doesn't* work on their
setup, and have 1) No control over the client 2) No documentation to help
them 3) No feedback from the developers - aside from the mis-information
that `The Mac client works fine out of the box - it works fine!' which is a
bit rich given that I have an email from the bloke who developed the v2 Mac
client, in which he states that he didn't test it on a 68K Mac - what other
tests did he miss? It's clear that the Mac client *doesn't* work fine out
of the box - so what are we to do? It appears to do something other than
what I thought it should be doing, but what do I know? The documentation
doesn't explain what it does, nor how to tell if it's doing it.
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