[rc5] Re: OS/2 ramdisk and spindown

Eric Gindrup gindrup at okway.okstate.edu
Wed Oct 15 12:51:39 EDT 1997

     Actually, this isn't a terribly good way to do this.  The result of 
     your method depends on the indexing of the set.  A better way would be 
     in analogy to Riemann sums:
     Let S be the set of values whose median we desire.
     Let n be a non-negative integer.
     Let C_n be the collection of n-element subsets of S (rather a lot).
     Let M(x) compute the median of the finite set x.
     Let K be the collection of sequences of elements taken successively 
     from the C_n where each sequence member is a subset of the following 
     sequence member.
     Let K_n be the collection of n-element sequence heads of elements of 
     Consider lim sup_{k_n in K_n, n->inf} M(k_n) and the same lim inf.  So 
     we're ,looking at the upper and lower limit medians as sequences from 
     S are evaluated for successively longer lengths.  If the two lims 
     converge to the same value, then we might say that the median of the 
     set converges.  For finite sets the medians converge to the same value 
     because all of the above sets are finite.
        It's not entirely clear that these limits are identical very often 
     for infinite sets.
            -- Eric Gindrup ! gindrup at Okway.okstate.edu
     Oh, the analogy:
     Riemann sums are (fully rigorously) the coincident value of the lim 
     sup and lim inf of the finite sums constructed by taking the interval 
     of integration and breaking it into partitions and successively 
     refining the partitions by adding more division lines.  So S goes with 
     the region of integration, n is the number of regions we are breaking 
     it into at the moment, C_n is the set of all n-part partitions, K is 
     the set of all refinement sequences of partitions, and K_n goes with 
     the finite intermediate partitions used to compute the lims sup anf 

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Subject: Re: [rc5] Re: OS/2 ramdisk and spindown 
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Date:    1997/10/15 12:09

In order to try to resolve the objection raised by James Mastros 
about the meaning of the median of an infinite set, how about this?
The median of an infinite set is m if and only if the limit as n goes 
to infinity of the ratio of (number of set elements with indices less 
than n and values less than m)/(number of set elements with indices 
less than n and values greater than n) is 1.
lim    (# elements <m)/(# elements >m)  = 1 
This uses the pre-existing definition of the limit to take care of 
problems with the infinitude of the set.  Of course, the set has to be 
(The problem of a set which doesn't contain elements on both sides of 
its median can be solved by first adjoining (m-1) and (m+1) -- they 
allow the ratio to be well-defined, but they won't affect the value of 
the median itself.)
Sorry for the rather non-topical discussion; I'm so far behind that I 
don't even really know how the thread got started.
   Seth David Schoen L&S '01 (undeclared) / schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu
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