[RC5] OGR motivations/achievements in general

Ray Booysen rjb-dis at iafrica.com
Sun Oct 6 09:12:42 EDT 2002

What's wrong with the NDA?  Seems like a good way to keep their confidential
information private.
The difference between us being volunteers and them is that all we have to
do is install and set-up the clients and proxies
while they have to set up and maintain the servers, any problems with the
clients and a whole lot more.  How on earth can you put us and the dnetc
guys in the same league when you speak about volunteers.  It makes no sense
at all.

I am sure you have a job and are a busy man.  Do you have time in your day
to sit and write a whole bunch of code to take care of the changes you are
Again, and maybe this time you can remember. The network is run by
VOLUNTEERS which means that when you are sitting by your pool with a
cocktail in your hand one of the dnetc staff is sitting behind a computer
fixing problems.  So next time you are relaxing in front of the TV watching
good sport just think " Would I rather be here at the moment or fixing a
stats bug."  This might put it into perspective for you.  And if the NDA is
stopping you from joining then it probably is a good idea that you don't
join.  I can't trust someone that isn't prepared to protect the intellectual
property of a non-profit organisation.

And all this comes from the guy who thinks sucking every one of the dnetc
stats pages is a good idea.  And off donated bandwidth.  I think this says
it all.

Ray Booysen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Beglinger" <jackb at guppy.us>
To: <rc5 at lists.distributed.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [RC5] OGR motivations/achievements in general

> > I think the post from Bruce Wilson clearly explains why this isn't
> > feasible.
> Bruce wrote why with the method they are using it is not feasible.
> Why is the method they are using even right any more?
> The increasing the size of the blocks is because of their server issues.
> for the good of project.  Maybe by using a little different methods you
> a better system?  We are a distributed system -- so may be distribute the
> work load.
> So why not?  What would it take?  Large systems, better use of existing
> resources? Better use of client resources?
> These are what is not being answered.  Instead we get we can't. we don't
> do that way. it's in secure.
> Not answer showing true thought about it.  Three years ago the questions
> were asked of us about development directions projects and like... see:
> http://www.distributed.net/nextgen/
> {PRIVATE}{PRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=The fastest computer on Earth."}
> Notice the title: Distributed.net, The Largest Computer on Earth:  Next
> Generation Suggestions.
> That was three years ago talking about the V3 client.  Well, it is still
> v2.8 client.
> > You may want to remember dnet is a volunteer organization.  If your
> ideas are
> > well suited to dnet, and logical, feasible, and reasonable, why not join
> > and help implement them?
> Once the drop they NDA requirement.

> > The noise coming from you is annoying.  You complain about this, and
> > that.
> > You refuse to read valid replies to things you suggest, and are dead set
> > against being wrong.  It's as simple as this,   Help out, or shut up.
> I read even one.  It been the same reply for two multiple years.  Tech has
> changed, system have changed but DNET can't for the same reasons I get
> from local programmers that are entrenched with their past or sys admins
> who keep fixing the problem over and over but never fix the issue.
> > I've not seen a single post from you that praises dnet, at all.
> > If you don't like the project, and don't want to help,   find another
> > project.  Dnet was the first distributed computing organization of it's
> > kind.   But currently there is a broad scope of choices available to
> > you.
> DNET is the choice for me.  Crypto is what I prefer.  OGR is not.  If I
> was do that math type... I would prefer prime or pi calculations.  I would
> like to see DNET be better.
> > No matter what the 'official' reply is to one of your suggestion, you
> > turn it into a 50 post argument.  It's pathetic.  It looks good for
> > neither party.  You seem hell-bent on proving some dnet volunteer
> wrong.
> > It doesn't seem to matter which volunteer it is,  you treat them all
> > equally, and all like trash.
> Maybe if 'official' was not so damn canned.  Like ask "when OGR 24 will
> be done?"  we really do not know.  See: http://www.distributed.net/ogr/
> see the top news item of OGR 24 officially restarted and begins OGR
> 25!!  Yup that is July 13, 2000.
> Yes, they volunteers - that is thrown at us too.  And so are we.  It is
> to get new people to join these project when what is visible is so out of
> date at the official site.  When after 3 years, it is still being done the
> way" so it limits client machine choice.  When suggestions dumped upon
> for being to hard or insecure - when we are testing / showing security
> being insecure in a time frame... yet we leave blocks in the open
> harddrives.

> > Instead of getting so hostile over one project,  find one that suits you
> > and your politics.   These forums aren't your personal battle grounds
> > for the dnet staff.
> I have - I just wish they would grow and not be stuck in 1998.   RC5 is
> the grounds to talk about RC5, to talk about ways to improve, manager,
> use, issues with, or any else RC5.   It does break down from time - like
> talking about my kids and their enjoyment of press buttons that make
> lights blink--- and network/machine crash.  But even that started with
> RC5.
> > Having said my peace, I'll happily add this thread to my procmail
> > filters.
> > If that doesn't suffice,  I'll just add JackB to it.
> {ref Jeff - please do. }
> {ref Jeff - please do. }Please do what you fell you need to.  I will
continue with what I feel I
> need to do.
> jackb
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