[RC5] [saag] Of potential interest -- Citibank tries to gag crypto bug (fwd)

Ralph W. Reid rreid at sunset.net
Sat Feb 22 04:14:20 EST 2003


Since Distributed Net demonstrated some time ago that DES was not
very secure at all, and since we are currently working on some RC5
decryption, I thought the enclosed note I received from another list
might be of some interest here.  Enjoy.

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>Subject: [saag]  Of potential interest -- Citibank tries to gag crypto bug 
> disclosure (fwd)
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>David Mirza Ahmad
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>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:04:01 -0800
>From: Robert Moskowitz <rgm-sec at htt-consult.com>
>To: saag at mit.edu
>Subject: [saag]  Of potential interest -- Citibank tries to gag crypto bug
>    disclosure
>
> >To: ukcrypto at chiark.greenend.org.uk
> >Subject: Citibank tries to gag crypto bug disclosure
> >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:57:34 +0000
> >From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson at cl.cam.ac.uk>
> >
> >
> >Citibank is trying to get an order in the High Court today gagging
> >public disclosure of crypto vulnerabilities:
> >
> >    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/citibank_gag.pdf
> >
> >I have written to the judge opposing the order:
> >
> >    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/citibank_response.pdf
> >
> >The background is that my student Mike Bond has discovered some really
> >horrendous vulnerabilities in the cryptographic equipment commonly
> >used to protect the PINs used to identify customers to cash machines:
> >
> >    http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/TechReports/UCAM-CL-TR-560.pdf
> >
> >These vulnerabilities mean that bank insiders can almost trivially
> >find out the PINs of any or all customers. The discoveries happened
> >while Mike and I were working as expert witnesses on a `phantom
> >withdrawal' case.
> >
> >The vulnerabilities are also scientifically interesting:
> >
> >    http://cryptome.org/pacc.htm
> >
> >For the last couple of years or so there has been a rising tide of
> >phantoms. I get emails with increasing frequency from people all over
> >the world whose banks have debited them for ATM withdrawals that they
> >deny making. Banks in many countries simply claim that their systems
> >are secure and so the customers must be responsible. It now looks like
> >some of these vulnerabilities have also been discovered by the bad
> >guys. Our courts and regulators should make the banks fix their
> >systems, rather than just lying about security and dumping the costs
> >on the customers.
> >
> >Curiously enough, Citi was also the bank in the case that set US law
> >on phantom withdrawals from ATMs (Judd v Citibank). They lost. I hope
> >that's an omen, if not a precedent ...
> >
> >Ross Anderson
>Robert Moskowitz
>TruSecure Corporation
>Security Interest EMail: rgm-sec at htt-consult.com
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