[RC5] Help with justification of running Dnet at work

Earl Stenlund havoc at totalhavoc.net
Fri Mar 17 10:10:06 EST 2006


Well that is what the administration and I have already talked about.

Thanks,
Earl

-----Original Message-----
From: biggranger at direcway.com [mailto:biggranger at direcway.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:04 AM
To: D.net Discussion
Cc: havoc at totalhavoc.net
Subject: Re: [RC5] Help with justification of running Dnet at work

Instead of trying to justify running DNETC on all the computers and possibly
run the risk of loosing the privilege of running it anywhere, I would just
remove it from his lab computers and let everything quiet down a bit.

Darren Clark

Earl Stenlund wrote:

>The computers in the lab he uses have 1GB of ram with P4 3.2s. All of 
>our labs have 512MB or ram or more.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gerald Richter [mailto:glassman1 at neonshadow.net]
>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:39 AM
>To: havoc at totalhavoc.net; D.net Discussion
>Subject: Re: [RC5] Help with justification of running Dnet at work
>
>Earl Stenlund wrote:
>
>>	I only know what my students and I experience and that is a delay in
>>opening 	applications such as browser windows, powerpoint
>>presentations, etc.  I read all the 	mumbo jumbo on the web site and I
>>have actually had to power cycle a machine to get it 	back under my
>>control.  I 'm not buying the science contribution either.   Why would you
>>want to support something that is not really under your control?  We need
>>all of the 	resources we can get and should not be squandering them on a
>>research project that even 	the federal government would not support.
>>I don't need to see your benchmarks since 	they are done under a
>>laboratory environment and do not reflect what will happen under 
>>actual situations.
>
>
>Okay, so the computers need serious help. :oP I notice this problem 
>with any computer having a serious lack of RAM, as nearly every 
>computer I met in school had. I personally have run dnetc and perproxy 
>in production environments with no serious affects outside of the cpus 
>running a little warmer. My quad cpu web and db server didn't even 
>notice the extra load, and I have zero problems with load times or 
>anything on my personal workstation... which I don't use lightly - I 
>routinely load up multiple EVE-Online clients which abuse the tar out 
>of video card, ram and cpu... and have had no ill effects from dnetc.
>
>>	The statement below from the web site is unbelievable...do they
>>really think we are that 	stupid....the only reason I go to look at
>>the statistics is because I cannot launch a 	powerpoint presentation or a
>>browser, etc!  It is NOT a question of a task running in the 	background;
>>it is a question of STARTING a new task while dnet.exe clings to the 
>>processor.
>
>
>Where'd you pick up this, er, <blank>?? I woulda gone serious rounds 
>with him as a student just for the fun of it. :)
>
>>Also, does anyone know what other Schools are running the project? A 
>>list would be great. I know DePaul, Polytechnic of Namibia, University 
>>of Toronto, University of Illinois, Education Network of Ontario
>
>
>Wish I could. While I was a student in high school I arranged to have 
>nearly all computers in the comp tech department running dnetc with the 
>approval of the teacher... but that has been a while.
>
>--Gerald Richter
>
>
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